R7 Panthers v Rabbitohs - Game Day Thread

By far our best performance of the year, it was hard to take the loss.

I could go on and on about the referring (no penalty for chicken wing on Egan?), but will focus on our team;

Aekins handled fullback fine, and should be our number 1 next week.

DWZ needs to go back onto the wing, and a new centre brought in.

Egan showed why he is our number 1 hooker, he outplayed Cook which is no mean feat. Keeps improving the more first grade minutes he plays. Seems to be one of our fitest players, and had we won would have been close to a MOTM performance.

All the forwards played well, JFH, Kikau and Tahmou the standouts. The bench all did the job expected of them.

Like last week, RCG plays better coming off the bench, and Tahmou better starting - keep them that way.

Martin is a gun! I see real potential in this kid.

Halves went well, just wish we would rely a bit less on the cross field kick. Shades of Walsh a few times there.

Klein played well for the Rabbitohs

This hasn’t been updated since Round 5, but it points out what we already know, we get a raw deal under Klein. The discrepancy between our results under Klein & results during the time he had been refereeing is double the next biggest discrepancy.


Still a few too many errors, but for me, everyone gave 100% & that’s a good start.

We definitely are on the receiving end of the match officials - wrong calls & missed calls. It’s as if they are just looking to find something against us for 80mins every week. Klein is a clown, and once again conned by that piece of crap Burgess - an early BS penalty and a late BS penalty (which completely changed the momentum of the game) cost us badly.

That’s shit try by bunnies sums up where we are at. A pass that goes to ground, a crap kick that somehow goes back to bunnies, and then a forward pass just metres from Stevie Wonder running the line, and it’s a try OMG.

We looked better with the ball, but still need more than relying on Billy and tap backs by Waqa. Is our season gone? I don’t know. I know we are capable of better football, and have a better team than some of the teams above us on the ladder, but wins are all that matters.

I see some nuftie writing for news.com.au says the Panthers fans booed the team off the field at fulltime. Maybe he should actually gain some insight into the world & realise the fans were not booing our team, but the match officials.

Hopefully some of the distractions are disappearing, and we can gain some focus. We are unlikely to be impacted by losing players to rep duties, so Hopefully we can string some wins together over the next few months.

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From my viewpoint the game generally is being over-refereed (if there is such a word). Greenberg et al want a faster game but we get referees who nit-pick and cannot make a decision without reference to the god in the sky. Referees are under ridiculous pressure because of technology. Looking back it was a sad day when the video ref was introduced. Even worse when we got the 2nd referee.
And finally the tv commentators; I wish they would just call the game and not try to referee it as well.

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That Alex Johnston non-call of that knock on was ridiculous. 99/100 times they call it a knock on.

I wasn’t aware of our Win % under Klein but I’m not surprised. Badger was reffing reserve grade today. I think he’s a much better referee.

What would you think of playing Billy Burns in the centres and putting DWZ back to the wing?

It’s a terrible statistic for Klien, even more so when you rank them by the distance from the average (49.14%). Penrith rank dead last with a spread of 23.21%. The only other team that’s remotely close is Newcastle which is better by double digits.

I would dare anybody to find a referee with a worse spread than that.

W-D-L Difference Spread from Average
Canterbury Bulldogs 23-0-12 65.71% 16.57%
St George Illawarra Dragons 23-1-13 63.51% 14.37%
Melbourne Storm 25-0-15 62.50% 13.36%
Brisbane Broncos 19-0-12 61.29% 12.15%
Sydney Roosters 22-0-15 59.46% 10.32%
North Queensland Cowboys 19-0-16 54.29% 5.15%
Wests Tigers 16-0-15 51.61% 2.47%
Manly Sea Eagles 11-0-12 47.83% -1.31%
South Sydney Rabbitohs 19-0-21 47.50% -1.64%
Parramatta Eels 14-1-18 43.94% -5.20%
Cronulla Sharks 14-0-18 43.75% -5.39%
Canberra Raiders 13-1-17 43.55% -5.59%
Gold Coast Titans 10-0-15 40.00% -9.14%
New Zealand Warriors 13-0-20 39.39% -9.75%
Newcastle Knights 11-1-20 35.94% -13.20%
Penrith Panthers 7-0-20 25.93% -23.21%
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Questions should probably be asked with statistics like this. They may be understandable if most of the games were played against teams we struggle against (Storm, Sharks, Roosters), but even then you have to ask if a certain referee has a bias against us.

Realistically a variation of any more than 10-15% in favour or against a team should be looked at by the powers in the game.

Maybe we should start a campaign with these stats - send them to Panthers, Cleary, NRL, SMH etc

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Seeing he brought it up, I decided to give The Mole a heads up. Will be interesting to see if he looks into it.

EDIT: Have also retweeted to the club asking if it is worth looking into

I don’t think Klein would be doing it on purpose. He’s probably just hopelessly incompetent.

Just for fun, I decided to download the 2018 records and crunch some numbers. Here is the win ration for each referee and the trend based on Wins vs NRL Average, and a picture starts to develop. take note of where Klein is in this list now look at the other poor percentages and take into consideration how many games were officiated by that referee.

I’m almost afraid to do the same thing for the 2017 season as it would confirm some of the fans bias against Klein.

You are probably right, which is even more frightening. How can a referee be so selectively inept…

Referee Games Record Win % Average Avg. Diff. Trend
D. Munro 1 1-0-0 100% 13% 88% :small_red_triangle:
G. Badger 2 2-0-0 100% 47% 53% :small_red_triangle:
Z. Przeklasa-Adamski 2 2-0-0 100% 49% 51% :small_red_triangle:
C. Butler 2 2-0-0 100% 50% 50% :small_red_triangle:
H. Perenara 5 5-0-0 100% 51% 49% :small_red_triangle:
G. Atkins 1 1-0-0 100% 51% 49% :small_red_triangle:
J. Stone 1 1-0-0 100% 51% 49% :small_red_triangle:
C. Sutton 4 3-0-1 75% 47% 28% :small_red_triangle:
B. Cummins 6 4-0-2 67% 48% 19% :small_red_triangle:
G. Sutton 3 2-0-1 67% 49% 18% :small_red_triangle:
A. Shortall 3 2-0-1 67% 57% 10% :small_red_triangle:
P. Gough 2 1-0-1 50% 44% 6% :small_red_triangle:
G. Reynolds 2 1-0-1 50% 45% 5% :small_red_triangle:
M. Cecchin 4 2-0-2 50% 46% 4% :small_red_triangle:
M. Noyen 2 1-0-1 50% 49% 1% :small_red_triangle:
P. Henderson 3 1-0-2 33% 36% -3% :small_red_triangle_down:
L. Kennedy 3 2-0-1 0% 6% -6% :small_red_triangle_down:
B. Sutton 3 2-0-1 0% 6% -6% :small_red_triangle_down:
T. Roby 0 0-0-0 0% 23% -23% :small_red_triangle_down:
A. Klein 6 1-0-5 17% 53% -36% :small_red_triangle_down:
A. Gee 2 0-0-2 0% 49% -49% :small_red_triangle_down:

…and for those wondering here are Ashley Klien’s stats for 2018

Team Games Results %
Gold Coast Titans 1 1-0-0 100%
Canterbury 1 1-0-0 100%
Warriors 2 2-0-0 100%
Newcastle 1 1-0-0 100%
Brisbane 5 4-0-1 80%
St George Illawarra 4 3-0-1 75%
Sydney 6 4-0-2 67%
Cronulla 3 2-0-1 67%
South Sydney 6 3-0-3 50%
North Queensland 2 1-0-1 50%
Melbourne 5 2-0-3 40%
Penrith 6 1-0-5 17%
Canberra 2 0-0-2 0%
Wests Tigers 2 0-0-2 0%
Parramatta 3 0-0-3 0%
Manly Warringah 1 0-0-1 0%

If memory serves correctly, the 2 games Gee did were with Klein, making them the combination we definitely don’t want.

Actually you are pretty close, just the one.

Sadly it was the 21-20 Semi Final loss to the Sharks that was the knockout blow of the season, and we all know the dubious calls in that game.

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… well, many here would suggest we’re on the ‘de-Klein’,
I say we have ourselves to blame not the referees. I will agree
with the ‘birdman’ though, commentators shld stick to commentating.

Despite the referee setbacks, we still had opportunities to win. It’s just a kick in the nuts when the other team has that extra man advantage.

In 2016, 2017 and 2018 we had poor reffing against us, but still found ways to win games.

Hopefully we can turn this around and make that 4/4 finals appearances, for the first time ever I believe.

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